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Hi Matt
Take a look at fiveDASH. I'd give you a URL, but the comments spam protections hates it.. "FIVEDASH™ is fully-featured, general-purpose, Open Source accounting software, that anyone can use for free. Five reasons to choose FIVEDASH™ for accounting: * Feature competitive * Unlimited users * Cost-effective customization * Secure, reliable back-end * No license fees (GPL3)"
http://www.fivedash.com/ appears to be the site.
Whilst it's @ 0.7 release so far, 0.8 is slated for payroll. I'll keep an eye on their progress. Hopefully it handles PAYG/BAS components though I'm unsure where these guys are located (it's not too revealing from their website).
After the computer world article on SYMBOL I gave it a once-over and decided that the inherent security problems really needed addressing. Graham Chapman invited me to work on a source forge version to tidy it up (it doesn't use strict, warnings, modules etc). We were also able to spot some code duplication and fix some bugs during our repairs.
Unfortunately, Edward felt the progress towards his own goals was too slow in a collaborative system and pulled the plug on our changes. Things continued on for a little after that before the mailing list went quiet, and I haven't heard more about it. The documentation will probably tell you that you should only host SYMBOL on an internal machine (which is good considering my security concerns). Unfortunately it also used to suggest installing it as root from the / directory. A need for that was one of the things we had been working to fix. SYMBOL should be a great product. The interface is fine, it works well enough. Fixing the back end issues and tidying up the code was going really well. I was going to post you to Edward's main site (he didn't seem to like sourceforge very much) but it seems to have disappeared. If you decide to restart work on it, give me a bell. All the best, Jacinta
Hey Jacinta,
Thanks for the heads up. Yes, I've taken a preliminary look through the code. I do concur, it does need quite a bit of a code-clean up on the security aspect and from a modular viewpoint. I suspect most people would run it internally on a LAN -- I definitely wouldn't be pushing it out over the 'Net! I'll sit and think over my way forward. Ideally I would like a Ajax-aware web-app, or something a little more modern than a Perl/CGI application. FiveDash looks promising, so I may hold off until 0.8 comes along and reassess. I'm really hoping it can handle BAS/GST/PAYG easily enough. Failing that... it will then be a decision to either write one from scratch (possibly taking some of the app logic out of SYMBOL) or enhancing SYMBOL.
Hi there,
I've been poking around for Linux accounting software compatible with the Aussie system (which is how I ended up here) and come up with some old links. I haven't followed them all yet, but I thought I'd add them to the mix. There is a Whirlpool forum post (circa 2005) here: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/495177.html And that links to a LinuxLinks.com (amongst others) page here: http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Financial/Accounting/ As I said, I haven't followed all the links, but there might be something helpful in there. Also, congrats on getting printing working under Wine, that will pave the way for MYOB, but it would still be nice to have some OSS that understands Aus. (Ps. The comment at the bottom of the "add comment" block "E-Mail addresses will not be displayed and will only be used for E-Mail notifications" is incorrect as email addresses *are* displayed, albeit slightly fuzzed)
Hmmm, it seems my PS is only valid if you preview with the correct captcha words... which is totally valid. Sorry to cause any confusion.
Hi Ian,
Yes, if you have the right Capture (ie: your latest comment) you will see your _own_ Email address... not anyone elses.
I run a Linux only business, that is we not only run Linux on our servers and desktops but also encourage our customers to do the same, and the biggest sticking point is the lack of native or even WINE-compatible book-keeping software for Linux.
I've only been on the MyOB software since the beginning of the year, and, while I've managed to get it running relatively well under WINE, it still requires constant work arounds to get a number of relatively simple things done (the reason I found this blog was because I was looking for a fix to a blank page printing problem). And when I received my MyOB "renewal reminder" I was not pleased when I found out I was now on the treadmill. My other issue with running MyOB on WINE is that WHEN I upgrade (I don't think I get the choice of IF), I'm worried my MyOB WINE install will stop working and that's it. I'm going to have to buy Vista and run a virtual machine. I'd love to see a F/OSS replacement to displace the book-keeping duopoly but I think the biggest hurdle that will hold back users will be the unwillingness to migrate to a new system. That said, provided a F/OSS solution had MyOB and Quicken importers, I could probably see a number of SMEs keen to move away from the endless book-keeping tax. Personally, I'd like to see a PHP/MySQL, web based solution (not necessarily something to be run online, but with server and client components, the client running in Firefox for example), with a modularized architecture. The core would be quite small, perhaps with Sales, Banking, Purchases, and the ability to "plug in" additional modules. For example, some may want a tightly integrated payroll, while other may simply want a bridge from their Sugar CRM timesheet software. Additionally, there would be pluggable reports, some may want internal reports, others may want exporters to ODF/PDF formats for further editing. The modular design would also allow for simple tax data updates for different countries, making it easily exportable and a solid developer API would enable programmers to build useful add-ons for automating tasks and integrating additional features such as LDAP authentication into the mix.
I have nothing to add to the considered debate here - this post is simply to keep the discussion alive. The mid- to top-end of the market is well catered for (except for payroll), but the Australian small business operator is cornered into Windows and very ordinary 1980's applications. Keep pushing!
Thanks for the comment David.
Please watch this space. I'll be announcing something shortly.
Hi Matt
Any more info on what's coming up? If not, are you able to leak any hints?
Yup.
Keep an eye on OpenBeanCounter.com over the next few months. I'll announce more after Christmas. (Santa comes then.. and I'm in the middle of preparing to move into a new house)
I am very interested in this announcement. I have frequently tried to steer our organisation to OS Accounting. I currently have a short window of opportunity to promote an OS payroll solution.
I have identified PayMaster and SYMBOL. I'll contact PayMaster about supporting Aust requirements. The comments above seem to address SYMBOL. Anyone wanting to charge for services and/or maintenance on OS Payroll should speak soon or ....
Hey Matt,
Sorry to drag up such an old post, but this has been the most informative one I've found so far. So, kudos! Just wondering if there has been any progress on Open Bean Counter? Cheers, Adam
ATO’s e Record will be discontinued from July 2010. I was looking for an alternative bookkeeping solution that’s simpler for my small business needs and found this informative site about eRecord: http://www.smallbusinesslog.com/ .
Do you agree that Cashflow Manager is the next best alternative to replace ATO’s eRecord than MYOB? Please advice. Frustrated MYOB user, Mark
I would attempt to get a 'trial copy' of Cashflow Manager first....
Import say a quarter of your invoices (I know -- it's a lot of manual re-keying).. .but compare the results... make sure it does what you want. For $495.. you want to make sure it does everything you need. It's a hefty layout if it doesn't meet your requirements. I really do need to get writing on my own replacement that is OpenSourced! |
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